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Over the last few years, the Grendel has moved from a small nitche cartridge to mainstream. Why in your opinion has it caught on why others did not. For example, the 30 Remington AR has more energy throughout the hunting range but it never made it past a small following. The Grendel on the other hand despite some rough spots along the way made it. Why is it so popular?
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Easy, availability of parts, uppers, brass and ammo, at reasonable prices.

The 30 rar, which I think is great since I have one now,  strikes out on most of those things. 
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6.5 Grendel

Inherent accuracy

Multiple factory ammunition offerings

Weight of the rifles

30 Rem AR

Equal in the accuracy department

Limited factory offerings ( all from Remington )

The factory rifles , while lighter than a Gen I AR10 cannot be configured with other AR15 parts and so you are looking at an 8lb rifle with limited means to reducing weight.
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3-4 guys yakking on arfcom 24hrs a day for 12 years.  [biggrin]
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I think the 30 AR is superior for hunting and shooting out to 600 yards which is what 90% of what people use the grendel for but the 30RAR never took off. 
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I think the 30 AR is superior for hunting and shooting out to 600 yards which is what 90% of what people use the grendel for but the 30RAR never took off. 


I agree, I used to tell my Grendel hunting buddies that I brought Grendel’s Daddy with me on the trip. The case and ballistics nose ahead of Grendel in all the areas that count

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It never took off

Watch the primer pockets on the brass , they start loosening up after 4 firings .

I get 10 loadings out of Grendel cases
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As Harrison pointed out the Grendel had social media advocates when you google 30AR and read forum posts from 2010-2011 many start with a guy asking about the 30AR then a social media dog pile happens with a group telling him to stay away that Remington has abandoned the cartridge. The grendel was the opposite with advocates singing ists praises. Both are great rounds. The 30AR was also a single point of failure with only remington making parts and ammo while the grendel had multiple companies making barrels and bolts. 
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As I remember it the Grendel had it's rough patches. During the panic we were about the only company making them and bolts that we're incredibly difficult to get not to mention later when we had to stop making them until the SAAMI adoption and the resolution of the trade mark. After that it was the throat issue that lead to the Grendel ll throat. Great times being roasted alive but hay we're still going and making Grendel's.
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Why the grendel caught on in my opinion 

Ballistics: a small light recoil bullet stays above 1000 ft/lbs to 400 yards
Full Capacity: the magazines hold up to 28 rounds making it double as a SHTF rifle and rifle to protect our freedoms
Medium Game; The 123gr .264 bullets is about as ideal for medium game as it gets right up there with 150gr .308 or 130gr .277.
Long Brass Life: The brass is about 50 cents a piece and it lasts 10 firings which makes it super cheap to reload and shoot.
Strong Bolts: It started out bad with weak bolts made of CARP 158 steel and tended to break but shops like Maxim FIrearms with 9310 steel and quality turned that around. These bolts just don't break.
Industry Support: It has strong industry support with many suppliers of parts although not all are good.
Brass: Brass has been a success with quality and multiple suppliers but Hornady made this happen. The fact you could make your own though initially got if off the ground.
Social Media advocacy: There was lots of support on social media
Versatility: You can plink with it for fun, go tactical tommy and shoot it like an AK or precision shoot to 1000 yards. its as close to a do it all caliber as it gets. 
Good barrels; While Alexander Arms screwed up the throat design creating a situation where bullets where getting stuck Satern fixed this with the Grendel II throat which turned out to actually be better and had the ability to shoot the whole broad range of .264 bullets.  The 264 LBC also works great.



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There is not a week that goes by that we receive a pictures from our customers that have to do with hunting hog,deer, antalope and coyotes. The group sizes that are sent to us shot using the Grendel are fantastic. I have aways said that it is a very great cartridge just surrounded by contraversy. Craig and I took a lot of abouse
over the throat issue but that seems to have past with time.
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When I loaded up my test rounds in 6.5 Gr , I loaded Sierra 120 Matchkings over AR Comp, I worked up 5 loads per charge weight and none of those 50 rounds were over MOA at 100yds. That's nothing to sneeze at when you have 10 , 5 shots groups in at worst 1 MOA. That's what sold me on the Gr. Its easy to shoot, its accurate, it smacks the snot out of a heavy steel plate at 300 yds. It a great deer cartridge. I started it with my youngest daughter in mind but I have grown very fond of this little cartridge. Oh , and that's one of Saterns Brownells barrels. For the results of this little round and the investment I have in it , I'd say I more than got my moneys worth. 

The 400 and 450 is a reference to CCI primer size. 

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