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KShunterAO

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I am a hunter first and foremost.  I wake up and go to sleep dreaming about hunting.  I like to save money for hunting gear, guns, hunts and blinds.  One thing that I am passionate about is rifle hunting.  Most of my shots here in Kansas are about 100-300 yrds.  I like a good scope and something that is easy to use.  Without naming brands but more of naming functions what are the main features that you are looking for when picking out the right scope for hunting.  I have a wish list of features that I would like to see on a scope.  My #1 feature I would like to see is a FFP scope, this is one way that I feel would help me not have to worry about putting my magnification back to a certain spot just to be valid.  #2 Capped turrets!!  All FFP scopes always seem to have exposed turrets.  This always worries me, that when I toss it on my back that I will bump the turrets and knock it off zero.  #3 A BDC reticle with wind adjustment marks for hold overs.  Sense I will not be dialing in or adjusting my turrets on the fly, I would like to be able to hold over and know that it will be a good shot.  #4 Weight!! I want it to be less that 25 OZ.  #5  HD Glass!! I want to see clearly and know that what I am shooting at is the Trophy that I am after.  What do you think?  Is that too much to ask for.  
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What caliber are you shooting? I've been putting a lot of thought to the optimal scope for the Grendel here are my thoughts. Since the Grendel is a multitool caliber used for both hunting and tactical shooting and even long range shooting the scope should also reflect that multitool capability. These are the features i was thinking are important. 

Weight yes it can't be to much of a pig the lighter the better. Under 25oz is good but if its a really good scope some weight can be shaved elsewhere if need be.
FFP for ranging at all mag's
True return to zero stop
Magnification somewhere in the 3-15 range up up or down from there on either end. Need a low staring mag for normal carry in case a buck is cared up close but no need with a Grendel to go over 15X. That seems to be the ideal range for the Grendel. 
Eye relief in the 3.4 to 4 range
Clear optics
Some kind of ballistic drop reticle
A good warranty that will repair or replace without fuss like (Vortex, Athlon and Leupold)
Good quality it has to be reliable.
Water proof obviously 
30mm tube for best light
Plenty of internal adjustment so the Grendel can go far out to 800 yards. Around 30 mils
Good light to see into the shadows where the bucks hangout 
Front objective in the 44 to 50 range
Some what compact we don't want a mounted spotting scope. Max length should be around 14"


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I hunt whitetail deer and coyote in New England most deer shots are under 100 and my coyote shots can go out to 300 or a a litter more. To me the things I'm looking for in a hunting scope is durable,lightweight and good light Transmission in low light conditions and that's it. For my hunting ranges I have no need for a scope with turrets things happen fast I don't need to take the time to be dailing in exact range I zero all my guns in at 200 yards and I'm killing things out to 300 without even thinking.Im partial to Leupold varix 3 rifles.As far as first focal plane scopes no need for one at your hunting range I always carry a small laser range finder with me with a 450 yard range.
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The goal of building my 18" ,264 lbc was to kind of have a "leatherman rifle". I wanted something light enough for hunting or backcountry defense. I also wanted something that could proficiently play long range games. I wanted turrets, but I also wanted to piggyback a reflex sight on top of my scope, so I needed the turrets to be low profile. I'm a nursing student so I  also needed it to be somewhat economical and I live on the oregon coast, so I need it to be able to keep the weather out of the tube during late season hunts. 
I picked up a Leupold Mark AR Mod 1 4-12 mildot.
It weighs under 15oz. 
As far as clarity goes, the glass seems to be neck and neck with Vortex HST stuff.

I've taken it to 810 so far and killed a milk jug on my 3rd shot. The elevation was on, but I'm still cutting my teeth on playing wind.
I'm sure there are better scopes out there for it, but not  for under $500. 



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joshua_ridders

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I would say the 3-15 range would be optimal. And in my opinion ffp on a scope in that power range would be a waste of money. If you are looking at anything far enough to range you will most likely be on the highest power setting. The biggest advantage to the 30mm tube is the added elevation adjustment, beside a few other pluses. If you aren't shooting long range it isn't a dire necessity.
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Those are good points Joshua lets assume that you are going to shoot long range. After all you have Paul G going to 800 yards with a 12 magnification. I think you have somewhat of a point with FFP but it is a good nice to have. 
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1. Define your need (hunting, varmint hunting, long range hunting -should only be done chasing sheep and goats way high up, CQB, carbine work -25 to 500 meters, SPR/light sniper/DMR - 200-700 meters, PRS shooting, 1,000 yard/meter competition.
2. Definition will dictate optic type and strength choice.
Close Quarters Battle
A. Real Red Dot (direct co-witness, never lower third).
B. Auxiliary RMR (Micro Red Dot/triangle/circle
B. Iron sights (usually canted).
C. Low power variable set at a true one power.
Carbine/Three Gun
A. Real Red Dot (T1, T2), with an optional 3x magnifier.
B. 1-4x, 1-6X, 1-8x; all with RMR, or canted iron sights.
C. Fast power change lever
SPR/Light Sniper/DMR
A. Vortex 1-8x 30mm tube SOPMOD in Geissele mount (all of these three get Geissele mount.
A. 5.56x45mm NATO = Leupold Mark 4 M2, 2.5-8x36mm, TMR or Mil Dot, 30mm Tube
B. Leupold Mark 4 M1 3.5-10x40mm, Mildot.
PRS/1,000 Yard or Meter
A. Schmidt und Bender 5-25x 34mm tube, your choice first or second plane, Mil dot, TMRs/ H-59
B. Night Force, same options as above
C. Swarovski
D. US Optics, etc.
For playing big boy scope must cost 2&1/2x rifle cost, you can't fake it with a Vortex or Athlon.
For DMR/Light Sniper Rifle/SPR need scope equal to rifle cost. Notice that rugged construction and repeatable adjustments + 30mm tube trumps high magnification.
Carbine and CQB both need red dot or iron sights. MUST BE TOUGH - that's most important.
You can buy a Vortex 1-8 in a Geissele 30mm SOPMOD mount.

In reality, the AR-15 and AR-10 cannot hang with the bolt actions out at 1,000, but the AR-10 definitely has longer legs than the AR-15. You can easily justify a 4.5-14X (or is it 4.0-14.5) for an AR-10. It is out of place on an AR-15.

Have fun. Don't base your choice on low cost, or on high magnification.
Good Luck!

















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joshua_ridders

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Paul's Leupold is a pretty economic choice .has great glass and is way lighter than any viper you are going to find. Is it the ultimate scope? That depends on your pocket book and your end game. Would it be a sweet lightweight 300 yard plus hunting scope that will get you out past that? You bet it is. My viper cost quite a bit more it weighs alot more which you don't want, has better turrets which you don't want, has a 30mm tube which you don't really need. In the end I guess a guy can spend a whole lot more on stuff he doesn't need.
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My whish list for a hunting scope is:
Durability
44+ Objective lens size for lowlight
Clarity
Eye relief
3-14 power with some type of throwlever
Lifetime warrantee is a plus
30mm tube
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joshua_ridders

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Their are alot of aftermarket throw levers out there that won't break the bank.
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I would suggest dropping the BDC aspect of it.  Go with mil-dot or MOA.  The reason why is that it won't matter what BDC scope you get, the drop increments likely won't really match whatever ammo you are using, so you are better off with mil-dot or MOA because they will offer you more versatility.

I like FFP scopes.  The MAJOR downside to them is that when you zoom, the reticle lines get bigger as well and end to cover up as much of the target as when they were unzoomed.  So zooming may not really help you as much for precise shooting at distance.

3-15x sounds pretty good.  I might even consider 4-20x for the distances you are talking about (my eyes are older) as you will likely be scanning for critters with binos and using the rifle scope for shooting.

Leupold traditionally has very nice glass....just part of their quality standard.  I would start my search there.

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The throw lever is a real good idea.
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I need to pick up a throw lever... actually two of them.
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I think the Leupold AR Mod 1 4-12X40 is a good example of a scope thats got what you need. You can get them for 400 bucks and below as well (I've got a gaggle of them). Now for the ultimate as in has all my wants these scopes more closely match that.The Athlon and Vortex has illuminated reticles which maybe why the weight is up there compared to the Leupold. 

Vortex Optics Viper PST Gen II Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 3-15x 44mm $899.99 28.1 Ounce
Athlon Optics Ares BTR Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 2.5-15x 50mm $799.99 27.3 Ounce
Leupold VX-3i LRP Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 4.5-14x 50mm $949.99 20.3 Ounce

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I wish the 4-12 Mark AR's came with the TMR reticle or at least something with stadia lines instead of mil-dots. 
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