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When you guys are looking for a hunting scope for an AR what do you look for?  Whats different about picking out a hunting scope for an AR vs a scope for a bolt action rifle? Whats different about picking out a scope for hunting vs benchrest or tactical shooting? I think both of those sporting purposes have in built bias that maybe might bleed over into online chatter and recommendations and they somethings are conflicting i think. Lets assume a scope is actually needed with shots to 350 yards maybe a bit more. Nothing outside ethical hunting ranges. 
 
 
 
Here's my some of my thoughts.

Magnification: Needs to start in the  4X or below range but top end will depend on the caliber but a top of 10 to 16 is probably good. Over 16X is probably unneeded over kill. 

Weight: It needs to be relatively light below 20oz but closer to 12oz if possible. Weight does not seem like a big deal at the range but how well you like your setup in the field may depend on whole light it is. 

None fogging: Needs to be able to handle temp and humidity transitions without fogging like from a warm truck to cold air without fogging.

Eye Relief: Needs to have good eye relief preferably designed for an AR platform. AR's generally need scopes with more eye relief than a scope designed for a bolt action rifle. Look for 3.5 and above.

Construction: Needs to take some normal abuse and still hold zero if i drop it in the field or it falls from a tree for example. You don't want to be in the back country and break your scope and screw your whole trip.

Warranty: Needs to be backed by a good Warranty for the lifetime of the product. Hunting rifles get past down and may have an issue years down the road.

Reticle: Needs to have a reticle with ranging capabilities. Having the ability to get a yardage estimate by looking through the scope can be very helpful. Also is should not be cluttered or over done. Its a hunting scope not a sniper scope. 

Clarity: Needs to have clear optics. Kind of a no brainier here.

Low Light: Needs to work well in low light in the evening and in the early morning when most game is taken.

Cost: Needs to be 550 bucks or less for me to be considered you may have your own price considerations. 

Waterproof: Needs to be waterproof. The scope needs to handle changing weather conditions in the field. 

Max Internal Adjustment: Needs to be 55 MOA or more. 
 
 

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Here's a few scopes that match my requirements. Most scopes in this price range of $550 or under are lacking the internal MOA adjustments. wieght and eye relief requirements or Warranty. 

Redfield Revolution TAC Rifle Scope 3-9x 40mm TAC
Redfield Revenge Rifle Scope 3-9x 42mm
Leupold Mark AR MOD 1 Rifle Scope 3-9x 40mm
Leupold Mark AR MOD 1 Rifle Scope 4-12x 40mm
Leupold VX-R Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 3-9x 40mm Matte
Leupold VX-2 Rifle Scope 4-12x 40mm
Leupold VX-2 Rifle Scope 3-9x 50mm
Vortex Viper Rifle Scope 3.5-10x 50mm

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If you drop the internal moa adjustment down to 50MOA then more scopes make the list from Vortex.
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Nikon Monarch.  60-80 MOA internal adjustment.  They are fantastic scopes:

http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/en/Nikon-Products/Scopes/MONARCH/index.page

Nikon Prostaff 5 scopes.  This one has 70 MOA internal adjustment, a great range, and is very bright:

http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/Nikon-Products/Riflescopes/PROSTAFF-5-2.5-10X50-Matte-BDC.html

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Zeiss OPMOD scopes - USA made with German components.  64 MOA of adjustment:

http://www.opticsplanet.com/zeiss-opmod-conquest-limited-edition-3-9x40-rifle-scope.html

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The Nikons though don't have the level of warranty as the Leupolds and Vortex optics. Tell me more abiut the Zeiss scopes anything that meets the parameters in a sub $550 level?
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After trying every major make of scope on the market over the years, the main reason I've come to like Nikon's so much is because they just don't seem to neec the same level of warranty as other brands in my price comfort range.  (Which is not to say they don't have a good warranty.)  I have never had one fail, and the optics are simply outstanding (not surprising for Nikon), but I have until recently always purchased from the Monarch line, so I need to make that point.  I've just added a scope that is an AR model derived from the Prostaff line.  The optics are outstanding, brightness good, BDC reticle that I like, and the zoom ring is easy to manipulate.  In a few years I'll know if the bargain price was worth it, but for the same money as a Redfield I like it quite a lot better and I've had new Redfields fail (and I know you have as well).

The Zeiss are new to me as they were previously out of my price range!  I want to check one of these new offerings out, and am interested, but I've decided that I want to focus on BDC reticle scopes.  A bullet drop card in the pocket or taped to the stock will make it a no-brainer across platforms with no turret twisting necessary.

This scope is calling to me right now:  

http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-PROSTAFF-Riflescope-Black-3-5-14x50/dp/B00BAHVNQM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1425056840&sr=8-3&keywords=nikon+prostaff+5

It may not meet your criteria, but it sure hits all of my likes.

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I need another scope for the Grendel so i'm going with another Leupold AR Mod 1 4-12X40 and putting it on the 270AR and then i'm going to move the VX-2 6-18X40 over to the Grendel 22in. I already have on AR Mod 1 4-12X40 for the 300 reaper build. Its all the scope I need and its covered by the leupold Warranty so i'm good.
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When you guys are looking for a hunting scope for an AR what do you look for?  Whats different about picking out a hunting scope for an AR vs a scope for a bolt action rifle? Whats different about picking out a scope for hunting vs benchrest or tactical shooting? I think both of those sporting purposes have in built bias that maybe might bleed over into online chatter and recommendations and they somethings are conflicting i think. Lets assume a scope is actually needed with shots to 350 yards maybe a bit more. Nothing outside ethical hunting ranges. 
 
 
 
Here's my some of my thoughts.

Magnification: Needs to start in the  4X or below range but top end will depend on the caliber but a top of 10 to 16 is probably good. Over 16X is probably unneeded over kill. 

Weight: It needs to be relatively light below 20oz but closer to 12oz if possible. Weight does not seem like a big deal at the range but how well you like your setup in the field may depend on whole light it is. 

None fogging: Needs to be able to handle temp and humidity transitions without fogging like from a warm truck to cold air without fogging.

Eye Relief: Needs to have good eye relief preferably designed for an AR platform. AR's generally need scopes with more eye relief than a scope designed for a bolt action rifle. Look for 3.5 and above.

Construction: Needs to take some normal abuse and still hold zero if i drop it in the field or it falls from a tree for example. You don't want to be in the back country and break your scope and screw your whole trip.

Warranty: Needs to be backed by a good Warranty for the lifetime of the product. Hunting rifles get past down and may have an issue years down the road.

Reticle: Needs to have a reticle with ranging capabilities. Having the ability to get a yardage estimate by looking through the scope can be very helpful. Also is should not be cluttered or over done. Its a hunting scope not a sniper scope. 

Clarity: Needs to have clear optics. Kind of a no brainier here.

Low Light: Needs to work well in low light in the evening and in the early morning when most game is taken.

Cost: Needs to be 550 bucks or less for me to be considered you may have your own price considerations. 

Waterproof: Needs to be waterproof. The scope needs to handle changing weather conditions in the field. 

Max Internal Adjustment: Needs to be 55 MOA or more. 
 
 
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Try a Nikon, M-308 which was designed for the 7.62x51 AR. Mine has a Bullet Drop Compensator, works great, I think you will be impressed !!
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I really like Nikon's Prostaff.   I have a 4-12 Mildot on my Grendel.   Ranges at right at about 11 power.   I got the exact power for ranging by marking a paper with horizontal lines 3.6 inches apart and cranked the power until the mildots line up with the lines on the paper at 100 yards.    Clear glass and good eye relief.  I have it mounted with the RRA one piece mount.   Solid mount in my opinion.
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I was thinking about the lack of need for a first focal plane scope with mildot ranging for a medium range hunting scope. If your zeroed to 200 yards then no need to get a range under 200 yards its just point and shoot. If the deer is past 200 yards then your going to turn up to full power to 9 or 12 power depending on your scope. Why do we need to range at 5X? If i'm looking at game with 5X or 6X power then the deer are close enough where theres no need to get precise yardage really. If you need to get yardage then the game is far enough away to put the scope to full power where 2nd focal plane ranging is done. I think first focal plain is a cool feature but not at all needed for anyone hunting medium game with normal hunting ranges of 400 yardages and below. 
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This is the scope i went with you can get it at Tactical Wholesalers for around 412 bucks.

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[image]Technical Information 

Tube Diameter: 1"
Adjustment Click Value: 1/10 Mil
Adjustment Type: Click
Exposed Turrets: Yes
Finger Adjustable Turrets: Yes
Turrets Resettable to Zero: Yes
Zero Stop: No
Turret Height: Medium
Fast Focus Eyepiece: Locking
Lens Coating: Fully multi-coated - Multicoat4
Warranty: Full Lifetime
Rings Included: No
Sunshade Included: No
Sunshade Length: N/A
Lens Covers Included: No
Power Variability: Variable
Min power: 4x
Max power: 12x
Reticle Construction: Wire
Holdover reticle: Yes
Reticle Focal Plane Location: 2nd
Parallax Adjustment: Adjustable Objective
Finish: Matte
Water/Fogproof: Yes
Shockproof: Yes
Objective Bell Diameter: 50.80mm
Ocular Bell Diameter: 40.64mm
Eye Relief: 4.9-3.7"
Exit Pupil Diameter: 10.0-3.3mm
Weight: 14.9 oz.
Max Internal Adjustment:
  • Windage: 67 MOA
  • Elevation: 67 MOA

Field of View at 100 Yards: 
  • 20.4' @ 4x
  • 9.7' @ 12x



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