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Linda

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Hello.

I am new to the forums and fairly new to preparedness and I would like some feedback and suggestions from you veterans.

I have been focusing on my food situation and I have a good system and have built up adequate stocks for my needs and now I am turning towards security. I am familiar with firearms but not so much as they apply towards a survival situation.

Currently I have a few handguns in 9mm and my 12 gauge. I am looking to enhance my options with a long range system, preferably in .308.

So here's my question. I have put aside about $540 so far towards my planned acquisition and I am currently looking at some of the budget .308 hunting rifles (Savage AXIS II XP etc) but after reading up on the problems of bolt action rifles in 'social situations' I am wondering if it makes more sense to simply save a bit more and purchase a semi-automatic platform like the AR-10.

What are your thoughts?

Thanks in advance guys and gals.


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I don't understand what you mean by the social issues with bolt guns. Fact is there are much more likely to be social issues to deal with concerning an AR10. Now, besides that, in virtually all cases, unless you are ready to spend a great deal of money for one of the newer generation lighter weight AR10 rifles (we're talking $1000+ more) you are looking at a VERY heavy rifle compared to any bolt gun. Not a rifle you are going to enjoy carrying around for any distances unless you do some serious working out in prep for the hunt. I'm not saying this because you are a lady and there's no doubt you are capable. But, facts are facts.

I have a PSA PA10 18" 308 and I chose optics and a stock that minimized as much weight as possible and it's still close to 11# unloaded. In contrast there are exceptionally accurate and much less expensive bolt guns these days that will weigh in at just over, and in some cases less than half that. I, personally, wouldn't dream of carrying that heavy PA10 unless I thought I was going to "heater hunt" or hunt from a stand. Hiking for miles with it would be a nonstarter for me.
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The Savage Axis II line of rifles are probably the most accurate out of the box rifle you can buy. I own 5 of them, and after throwing away the scope that comes with them and putting on a quality scope that cost more than the rifle, I can say with 100% certainty that all of them are 1/2 MOA shooters right out of the box. Even though I don’t own one, I would recommend getting the predator version simply because it has a heavier barrel. All of mine start to walk a bit after 5 shots, because of the light weight sporter barrel. Here is a 5 shot group I shot at 600 yds on an 8 inch gong with my Savage Axis 308 and a Primary Arms 4-14 power scope.

The best advice I can give you about your choice, is pick something that you are comfortable with and fits you well. Then learn it. Familiarize yourself with every aspect of it. One of my Green Barrett instructors once told me,

“Your weapon is like a good woman. You get to know her, love her and you marry her. You go to sleep with her and you wake up with her, and you don’t go messing around on her because that will only confuse you and mess with your head. When you go banging around with something else it only serves as a distraction and keeps you from continuing that deep relationship and knowledge about her. The same is true for your rifle.”

Learn the rifle, learn the ammo and all the actual ballistics data of it. Know the velocity, the extreme spread, and flight path of your ammo. Changing temperatures, humidity, barometric pressure, and wind all have their affect on the round once it leaves the muzzle. Learn these things and keep a log. Know for a fact that on a 65 degree rainy day with a 3 mph wind at a 45 degree angle from you, what adjustments you have to make to the scope to get a first time hit on a 6 or 8 inch target at 600 yards. 300 yards is easy. 400 and beyond is what separates the real shooters from the wishful thinkers. Out of a 308 win a 60 ft per sec deviation in velocity will be a clean miss on an 6 inch target at 600 yards.

A good rifle is a must and so is a good scope, but the biggest problem with long range shooting is the person pulling the trigger. For starters the best advice I can give is to watch the Sniper 101 video series by Rex Tibor on YouTube. The man knows his stuff and explains it in simple to understand language. You don’t have to be an Operator to understand what he is saying.

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